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	<title>Comments on: On the Ron Paul Supporter Ban at RedState</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-273308</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hilarious that the exact kind of people Red State are avoiding spreading their Ron Paul spam have found their way here.

It gets old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hilarious that the exact kind of people Red State are avoiding spreading their Ron Paul spam have found their way here.</p>
<p>It gets old.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitri</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-271886</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republicans are only hurting themselves by not embracing Ron Paul and his views.

From the people I discuss politics with on a daily basis, I really don&#039;t think a Republican candidate outside of Ron Paul has a chance.  I know many Democrats who would vote for him as well as independents and a lot of Republicans.

None of the other Republicans can cross those boundries like Ron Paul. Too bad the Republican establishment will keep him down.

I certainly won&#039;t vote for any of the other Republican candidates, that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans are only hurting themselves by not embracing Ron Paul and his views.</p>
<p>From the people I discuss politics with on a daily basis, I really don&#8217;t think a Republican candidate outside of Ron Paul has a chance.  I know many Democrats who would vote for him as well as independents and a lot of Republicans.</p>
<p>None of the other Republicans can cross those boundries like Ron Paul. Too bad the Republican establishment will keep him down.</p>
<p>I certainly won&#8217;t vote for any of the other Republican candidates, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Enzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redstate is a crap site. They&#039;ve banned thousands of people for just disagreeing with them.

They just don&#039;t see that Ron Paul is the only hope for the Republican party.

If you think any other Republican candidate is electable, you&#039;re drinking the cool aid. 

Of course there&#039;s no way in hell Ron Paul will get the Republican nomination. The Republicans would never allow this, but this is why they will lose the next election in a landslide.

Republicans like me will only vote for Ron Paul or we will vote for the Democratic candidate.  So long Hannity, Fox and Redstaters. You&#039;re dooming the Republican party for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redstate is a crap site. They&#8217;ve banned thousands of people for just disagreeing with them.</p>
<p>They just don&#8217;t see that Ron Paul is the only hope for the Republican party.</p>
<p>If you think any other Republican candidate is electable, you&#8217;re drinking the cool aid. </p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s no way in hell Ron Paul will get the Republican nomination. The Republicans would never allow this, but this is why they will lose the next election in a landslide.</p>
<p>Republicans like me will only vote for Ron Paul or we will vote for the Democratic candidate.  So long Hannity, Fox and Redstaters. You&#8217;re dooming the Republican party for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahner</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-267556</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Prior to the banning, the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters on RedState were courteous and substantive, just as Mark Bahner apparently was.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I would not go so far as &quot;courteous.&quot;  &quot;Civil&quot; would probably be a better description.  ;-)  But &quot;substantive&quot; in spades. 

It really bugged me that someone who claimed to represent the &quot;Barry Goldwater wing of the Republican Party&quot; was absolutely trashing Ron Paul, when the political philosophy of Barry Goldwater Sr. and Jr. are both quite compatible with Ron Paul&#039;s philosophy.  (As evidenced by Barry Goldwater Jr. campaigning for Ron Paul for Congress in 1976.)

&lt;blockquote&gt;The truth is that RedState banned us because of Ron Paul’s policies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, exactly.  They don&#039;t think they can win a legitimate debate about Ron Paul&#039;s policies versus other Republicans.  So they ban debate.  If they think that&#039;s going to bring undecided people towards the Republican Party, they&#039;re dreaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<blockquote><p>Prior to the banning, the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters on RedState were courteous and substantive, just as Mark Bahner apparently was.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I would not go so far as &#8220;courteous.&#8221;  &#8220;Civil&#8221; would probably be a better description.  <img src='http://www.bivingsreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   But &#8220;substantive&#8221; in spades. </p>
<p>It really bugged me that someone who claimed to represent the &#8220;Barry Goldwater wing of the Republican Party&#8221; was absolutely trashing Ron Paul, when the political philosophy of Barry Goldwater Sr. and Jr. are both quite compatible with Ron Paul&#8217;s philosophy.  (As evidenced by Barry Goldwater Jr. campaigning for Ron Paul for Congress in 1976.)</p>
<blockquote><p>The truth is that RedState banned us because of Ron Paul’s policies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, exactly.  They don&#8217;t think they can win a legitimate debate about Ron Paul&#8217;s policies versus other Republicans.  So they ban debate.  If they think that&#8217;s going to bring undecided people towards the Republican Party, they&#8217;re dreaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frost</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-265379</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...  Well, it seems that this election cycle is making it clear how a lot of Republicans feel about the libertarian philosophy.  

It seems to me that the Republican party will either be put back on the right track in this election or it will lose libertarians in droves to the Libertarian Party, which has been waiting for just such a situation.  

I always viewed the LP as the escape valve for some future time when the GOP became too authoritarian.  Perhaps the future is now.  The Libertarian Party also serves as the conscience of the Republican party and, to a certain extent the Democratic Party, as well.  

This may be the most interesting election of our lifetimes.

It is almost November 5th...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;  Well, it seems that this election cycle is making it clear how a lot of Republicans feel about the libertarian philosophy.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that the Republican party will either be put back on the right track in this election or it will lose libertarians in droves to the Libertarian Party, which has been waiting for just such a situation.  </p>
<p>I always viewed the LP as the escape valve for some future time when the GOP became too authoritarian.  Perhaps the future is now.  The Libertarian Party also serves as the conscience of the Republican party and, to a certain extent the Democratic Party, as well.  </p>
<p>This may be the most interesting election of our lifetimes.</p>
<p>It is almost November 5th&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 1440 minutes</title>
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		<dc:creator>1440 minutes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prior to the banning, the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters on RedState were courteous and substantive, just as Mark Bahner apparently was.  In order to avoid giving the impression that RedState was promoting the rejection of libertarians from the Republican Party, RedState had no choice but to lie about the Ron Paul supporters.  The truth is that RedState banned us because of Ron Paul&#039;s policies.  Although RedState had the right to put up a no-trespassing sign, it put them in a very bad light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to the banning, the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters on RedState were courteous and substantive, just as Mark Bahner apparently was.  In order to avoid giving the impression that RedState was promoting the rejection of libertarians from the Republican Party, RedState had no choice but to lie about the Ron Paul supporters.  The truth is that RedState banned us because of Ron Paul&#8217;s policies.  Although RedState had the right to put up a no-trespassing sign, it put them in a very bad light.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frost</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-264331</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -- Quoting the Barry Goldwaters was your &quot;crime?&quot;  The people at RedState claim that they were banning rude Paul supporters who were not adding anything to the conversations.  Sounds like, in reality, they just don&#039;t want to hear the truth.  (Also known as differing opinions.)  :)   How sad.  But it is their loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8212; Quoting the Barry Goldwaters was your &#8220;crime?&#8221;  The people at RedState claim that they were banning rude Paul supporters who were not adding anything to the conversations.  Sounds like, in reality, they just don&#8217;t want to hear the truth.  (Also known as differing opinions.)  <img src='http://www.bivingsreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    How sad.  But it is their loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahner</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-264263</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RedState is a joke.  They have some yokel who claims to represent &quot;The Barry Goldwater wing of the Republican Party.&quot;

Then they banned me for quoting Barry Goldwater Sr. (showing how his political philosophy is very compatible with Ron Paul&#039;s) and pointing out that Barry Goldwater Jr. is very friendly with Ron Paul.  (Even campaigned for Ron Paul in Paul&#039;s race for Congress in 1976.)

P.S. Some other yokel referred to the 13th amendment as the &quot;13th ratification.&quot;  No wonder they don&#039;t like Ron Paul&#039;s strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution.  Children fear what they don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RedState is a joke.  They have some yokel who claims to represent &#8220;The Barry Goldwater wing of the Republican Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then they banned me for quoting Barry Goldwater Sr. (showing how his political philosophy is very compatible with Ron Paul&#8217;s) and pointing out that Barry Goldwater Jr. is very friendly with Ron Paul.  (Even campaigned for Ron Paul in Paul&#8217;s race for Congress in 1976.)</p>
<p>P.S. Some other yokel referred to the 13th amendment as the &#8220;13th ratification.&#8221;  No wonder they don&#8217;t like Ron Paul&#8217;s strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution.  Children fear what they don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: broadsword</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-264045</link>
		<dc:creator>broadsword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re making an argument for vertical market segmentation that will preclude the cross-pollination of disparate ideas, the lifeblood of the kind of Socratish dialog that leads to *new* ideas.

But, I guess hegemony is all the rage in Texas.  After all; you gave us Bush.  

Thanks ever so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re making an argument for vertical market segmentation that will preclude the cross-pollination of disparate ideas, the lifeblood of the kind of Socratish dialog that leads to *new* ideas.</p>
<p>But, I guess hegemony is all the rage in Texas.  After all; you gave us Bush.  </p>
<p>Thanks ever so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frost</title>
		<link>http://www.bivingsreport.com/2007/on-the-ron-paul-ban-at-redstate/comment-page-1/#comment-263980</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem with the RedState ban is that it is a blanket ban on people who support a particular candidate and have particular views, namely, anti-war views.  A well-moderated blog would ban only the specific offenders, not resort to the collectivist mindset, banning any and all Ron Paul supporters.  

The editorial comment from one of the RedState people that I read recently sounds like the mentality of a spouse abuser:  &quot;You made me do this to you!&quot;  

The unfortunate decision by RedState has put them in danger of becoming a verb.  &quot;Hey, I heard The Bivings Report RedStated everyone from Pluto!&quot;  

All that they are really doing at RedState is giving themselves a false sense of superiority and correctness of vision.  They suffer from the same narrow pool of ideas 
and authoritarian tendencies as the Bush administration.  It is healthy to listen to other points of view, even ones you do not agree with.  Perhaps, ESPECIALLY ones that you do not agree with.  

I guess the RedStaters are either not up to the challenge or simply do not want their delusional, neocon boat rocked.....as they float ever closer to the nearing waterfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem with the RedState ban is that it is a blanket ban on people who support a particular candidate and have particular views, namely, anti-war views.  A well-moderated blog would ban only the specific offenders, not resort to the collectivist mindset, banning any and all Ron Paul supporters.  </p>
<p>The editorial comment from one of the RedState people that I read recently sounds like the mentality of a spouse abuser:  &#8220;You made me do this to you!&#8221;  </p>
<p>The unfortunate decision by RedState has put them in danger of becoming a verb.  &#8220;Hey, I heard The Bivings Report RedStated everyone from Pluto!&#8221;  </p>
<p>All that they are really doing at RedState is giving themselves a false sense of superiority and correctness of vision.  They suffer from the same narrow pool of ideas<br />
and authoritarian tendencies as the Bush administration.  It is healthy to listen to other points of view, even ones you do not agree with.  Perhaps, ESPECIALLY ones that you do not agree with.  </p>
<p>I guess the RedStaters are either not up to the challenge or simply do not want their delusional, neocon boat rocked&#8230;..as they float ever closer to the nearing waterfall.</p>
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